Why adult children of narcissists can be so money and not even know it

children of narcissists

I have a very smart and wonderful client, Karen*, who recently said: “I feel like you are always telling me that I’m right and everyone else is wrong Isn’t it somewhere in the middle?”.

Her question gave me pause. Was I erring on the side of being too supportive and excusing her of responsibility? Had I abandoned ‘therapeutic neutrality’ in a way that was not helpful to her? I felt a tinge of anxiety as I considered these questions.

Next I thought more about this young woman. Her earnest desire to live the life she wants for herself. Her ability and effort to connect with and protect others. Her constant willingness to reflect on the contributions she might make in conflicts with others. She was not someone who needed to make others feel bad or invalidated so that she could feel good or correct about herself.

Third, I thought of how Karen was born to parents who required her to apologize for who she was. As a forcibly intelligent, kind, curious, charismatic and lively child she was often reprimanded for being these ways. Karen had a keen sense of right and wrong. She was not shy about speaking out against what she perceived as wrong. Unfortunately her mother seems to have fit the criteria for narcissism.  This just means that one’s self-esteem is so fragile and prone to crumble that they readily blame others in relationships instead of share a sense of mutual responsibility for the way the relationship goes.  Her mother felt threatened instead of proud of Karen’s sense of fairness and her big personality. She was rebuked for being a “loudmouth” or “self-centered” when she spoke up. She faced the crazy-making dilemma of either expressing herself and suffering rejection or turning against herself and feel like she belonged with them. As I’ve written elsewhere, this is never actually a choice for kid. They always adapt in order to avoid rejection from their primary caregivers. Evolution says so.

I realized that Karen was right about how I was reacting to her. In the situations she discusses in therapy the only perspective being shortchanged was her own. To that end, I found myself often speaking up on her behalf as we discussed the thoughts and feelings she had related to her relationships. Although Karen had a very healthy emotional constitution, she was saddled with the belief there was something wrong with her and by extension her perspective. In her insightfulness, she correctly identified what we were doing in therapy and the problem that led her here.

I told her: “You’re right. You see things correctly. In these scenarios the only distortion at play is blaming yourself instead of the other person.” In hindsight I would have liked to add: “Your question reflects how utterly unfamiliar or even unbelievable the possibility of being in the right may feel.”

In this blog post, I’ll discuss how such psychologically healthy people conclude that they are the ‘damaged’ ones. Typically this happens to children of narcissists.  I’ll also offer specific therapeutic principles that can empower clients’ to find their faith in themselves.

Therapy is often for otherwise healthy adult children of narcissists

Therapy clients are often way more healthy than the people in their families of origin. Consider the reasons people seek therapy: 1) alleviating psychological/emotional distress like anxiety or depression, 2) improving relationships, 3) finding more purpose or meaning in work and hobbies. Each of these reasons requires a person to admit that they are living in a state they would like to change. It may seem simple, but that admission requires a certain amount of resilience. Someone must have the internal strength to see themselves as less than perfect.

In contrast, Karen’s mother would never have sought therapy to address how she was  treating their daughter. They had to maintain the myth of their own self-righteousness. They may also have been too terrified of being exposed as imperfect. Such people do not seek truth but rather lies that afford them the most convenient life possible. This client’s mother could not examine her own self-absorption so she laid it at my client’s doorstep. She was also not willing to consider how she felt outdone by my client’s precociousness as a child. Instead she leveraged her power as a parent to convince my client that her gifts were “bad” or “selfish”. In these ways my client’s mother attained convenience without concern for the truth.

The psychology of narcissists: Blaming instead of accountability

When parents blame a child for their own feelings, the child concludes that he is responsible for their emotions. Parents inherently have more power than children. A child needs a parent for survival more than the parent needs the child. Most parents have enough psychological health and empathy not to exploit this power. Others are not so restrained. These parents consciously and unconsciously see their child as an opportunity to offload whatever bothersome feelings they experience. Felt disrespected today at work? Yell at your son for not taking out the trash when you asked him to. Feel pressed to meet coworkers and parents needs but never your own And so on. Most importantly, such parents show and feel no remorse for how they treat their children. In their minds their children (i.e. victims) are getting what they deserve.

Adult children who do not go over to the dark side of blaming others

Adult children of narcissists often have a level of inner fortitude that allows them to find the therapy office instead of unquestioningly paying these attitudes and misdeeds forward to their own kids, partners, and friends. As kids they endured assault after assault on their inner goodness and had nobody to tell how much it hurt. To borrow another client’s metaphor, they navigate their childhoods like Muhammad Ali tired out George Foreman in the Rumble in the Jungle. Ali leaned against the ropes and let Foreman punch himself to the point of exhaustion before Ali knocked him out. It’s known as the ‘rope-a-dope‘ strategy. The difference is that kids can’t land that knockout blow to a parent. They’re in the excruciating position of needing that parent for their own survival. They can only try to minimize the impact of the hits they take without truly punching back.

When a kid endures abuse or mistreatment and there is nobody to tell it to, they can develop grim and inaccurate views of what they deserve out of life. A child trapped with an abusive, seductive, and/or neglectful parent must find a way to go on living with as little awareness of his predicament as possible. One way to do this is to believe that the child is to blame not the parent. A prominent psychoanalyst put it this way:

“injurious childhood experiences in and of themselves need not be traumatic (or at least not lastingly so)… Pain is not pathology. It is the absence of adequate attunement to the child’s painful emotional reactions that renders them unendurable and thus a source of traumatic states and psychopathology” (Stolorow, 2008).

This means that getting mistreated by a parent isn’t by itself going to result in psychological problems. It’s the absence of someone to tell that is most damaging. In the vacuum of nobody to speak to, insidious distortions creep in.

What happens in therapy with adult children of narcissists?

So, the clients who fit this profile have endured legacies of being chronically and gravely mistreated and reluctantly convinced that it was their own fault. Such clients may present in therapy with complaints of not knowing themselves, having communication problems, or being too concerned with what others think.

As therapy unfolds, the target quickly emerges: to disconfirm the client’s belief that his abuse was deserved and to provide the experience of being believed in how wrongly he was treated. The client is now able to tell someone.

The importance of tactical disagreement

Such clients have spent their lifetimes complying with their parents’ message that they do not deserve to be listened to, respected, nor protected. In my own experience as a therapist and a client, merely showing empathy, positive regard and a desire to understand is necessary but not sufficient. In the case of Karen, I have tried to adopt an attitude towards her that reflects how she actually is – not how she sees herself. I would often purposely disagree with how she saw herself.

Such targeted disagreement required an understanding of her goals in therapy (to like and know herself more), the faulty beliefs standing in her way (that she’s selfish and rude), and the early relational experiences that led to these beliefs (her mother’s criticism and self-absorption). These three ways of understanding a client reflect a Control Mastery Theory case conceptualization. This client shows up in the world as a genuine, thoughtful, caring, intelligent person. It was easy to respond to her in kind. She received my attitude towards her and disagreement with her in the ways I am about to describe fairly well. I would offer that she did so because such feedback helped her disconfirm the faulty belief that she’s selfish and rude.

Here is one example of productive disagreement. Karen would often conclude that people do not genuinely enjoy her company. I react with sincere astonishment at these claims and gently wonder with her how she could possibly come to this conclusion. In doing so, I am trying to convey that I want to understand her inner experience and that I am in violent disagreement with it. Tactically disagreeing with such clients can be very important because it speaks to the version of themselves that they know – at a deep level – is the most true. Furthermore, the message is sent that it is safe to experience herself as likeable in this new relationship.

One of the best examples of this kind of beneficial disagreement comes from the movie ‘Swingers’. In this scene Jon Favreau plays a man who was betrayed and discarded by his ex-girlfriend and concludes that no other woman would possibly want him. His best friend, Vince Vaughn, masterfully disagrees:

Vince Vaughn is responding to how Jon Favreau would actually be received in the world – “like a big bear with fangs” – in contrast to Favreau’s false belief that he has nothing to offer.

Challenging a client’s protectiveness towards a narcissistic parent

In order to survive this kind of abuse, client’s often had to devise schemes of what they could do to make mom or dad finally love them in the way they needed. The child does not take the parent’s abusive behavior at face value but rather as an obstacle to overcome. Such kids can develop the hope that if they overcome their parent’s abusiveness then they will be loved. This hope can sustain a child through tremendous amounts of pain. It comes with a cost though – having to live a pretty terrible inner life. Thus, in order to achieve a better quality of life as adults, clients must relinquish the hope that they could have pleased their abusers.

In the hopes of repairing their relationship with their abusers, clients may do one of three things (Benjamin, 2003):

1) act like their abuser
2) act like their abuser is still around and in control
3) treat themselves as their abuser treated them

For the types of clients I am describing, they most often enact #2 and #3. Clients can act like their abuser is still around and in control by choosing friends and partners with similar traits to their abusers. In the case of Karen, she would often choose friends and partners who were self-absorbed and dismissive towards Karen’s assertion of her own needs. By populating their lives with people who act like their abusers, such clients persist the hope that they could have ‘unlocked’ the approval that their abuser withheld from them. Other clients may readily say that have forgiven their parents or that “they did the best they could” or that they want to “leave what’s in the past where it belongs”. Such attitudes often serve to protect themselves from knowing the full extent of how they were mistreated.

I will empathically confront my clients when I think they may be populating their lives with abusive people or excusing the behavior of their past abusers. In the case of Karen, it was easy to support her perspective in matters because she found herself in conflict with people who tended to be self-absorbed. In other cases, I will gently ask what it would mean to a client if they were not forgiving towards their abusers? This will often lead to the kinds of self-criticism that mimics their abusers’ attitudes towards them. Clients may say “that would mean I can’t let go”, “that I’m too sensitive”, “that I am taking pleasure out of making them suffer”. Although clients may experience an uptick in anxiety at such confrontations, it often allows them to challenge and reduce their protectiveness towards their abusers.

As we work through such clients’ ambivalence towards their abusers, there are often moments when choosing not to accept a past or current abuser’s presence feels like it’s going too far. I have yet to work with anyone in this type of predicament where they actually erred by being too assertive. In therapy, I often encourage them to “double-down” on their inclinations to separate from such people. By doubling-down on this self-protective instinct they make a leap of faith that is helpful. They act on their own instincts instead of how they think the other might perceive them. They also practice trusting themselves rather than what they are told.

Clients will often treat themselves as their abuser treated them. This is self-evident in Karen’s case. Her consistent doubt of her own perspective mimicked how her mother so often invalidated her. The kind of disagreement described above directly challenges this wish for reconciliation with their abuser.

Conclusion: Therapeutic Disagreement and Undermining Protection of Abusers helps clients know they are right

Many clients who seek therapy have transcending the abusive contexts they emerged from. The goal of therapy is to free them to fully realize how they have been the healthy ones all along. To this end, tactical disagreement with client’s claims of their supposed ‘pathology’ is called for. It can also be helpful to challenge a client’s wish to protect their abusers.

*All references to clients are amalgamations of people, papers, books, life that do not directly refer to any specific person.  
Jay Reid is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor (LPCC).  If you are considering therapy for overcoming a childhood with one or more narcissistic parents please contact me for a free 15-minute phone consultation.

Additional resources

Alan Rappaport, Ph.D. has written extensively on the treatment of adult children of narcissists.  This paper was particularly influential in writing this blog.  I highly recommend it.

www.alanrappoport.com/pdf/Co-Narcissism%20Article.pdf  (copy & paste into browser)


Robert D. Stolorow Ph.D. (2008) The Contextuality and Existentiality of Emotional Trauma, Psychoanalytic Dialogues, 18:1, 113-123, DOI: 10.1080/10481880701790133

Benjamin, L. S. (2003) Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT): an integrative personality-based treatment for complex cases. New York: Guilford Press.

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  1. This is the most accurate decription I have ever read of the inner landscape of the adult child of narcissists. Thank you. Your words are exceptionally validating for the adult child.

    1. I really appreciate your feedback. It’s very reinforcing to know that going through narcissistic abuse can be a shared experience. I’ve found that antidotal to the isolation and attempts to make crazy that this form of abuse can often take.

  2. Thank you so much for this article. This is incredibly validating and hopeful for me. I am fairly new in my recovery journey.

  3. Thank you Jay Reid. I am 68, and have only, recently began to be able to give a name to my mothers abuse. Joy because I now know it was not me. Life gets better. Your blogs are so close to the mark. I know now the I am able to know why I react in certain ways, in difference situations.

  4. It has taken me 45 years of reading and some psychotherapy to understand why my life had gone the way it has, guessing, the equivalent of a few PhDs worth of research because no help was available.
    My career choice was arbitrary, not related much to any sense of personal aspiration, and now at 71 I realise that my life has been substantially a farce because of my abusive Father. I had not seen him
    for 26 years until Oct ’17, and after a whole childhood of denigrating me and my abilities, he derided within minutes, and than said; “Of course you could have done a PhD”. The problem for me is not a lack of understanding of what happened, but that I feel such a sense of emptiness, loss and failure.

    1. Dear Russell,

      It must feel awful, that sense of loss and failure. But you are not empty. You are a wealth of experience. And from all experience, good and I sometimes think more often bad experience, we can learn something and that gives us the chance to maybe help someone else. It may not seem much but sometimes the small things we say, or direction or recommendations we can give to another person can change their life, or inspre them to do so. To inspire another human being is probably one of the greatest gifts.
      I hope you are in good health, so you can live your life from this day knowing you are worthy to experience happiness and enjoy life. Because you deserve it.

  5. I am an almost 69yr old woman. I have shed a few tears reading most of this article, will be coming back to it. For me this usually means its hit a spot. I am still trying to come to terms with that fact that me childhood stuff is still taking up so much of my head space. I am constantly looking for ways of getting ‘past it’. I would love to have some sort of therapy but can’t afford it, so will just have to keep on doing my own self help.

  6. Jay, you clearly understand the complexities, dynamics and tactics involved, particularly with regard to how the experiences negatively manifest in a target/victim’s psyche in later years. Appreciate your insights and YouTube videos as well. Thank you!

  7. Thanks Jay, your article resonates with me. And thank you so much for specifically saying that a lot of therapists don’t: “Adult children of narcissists often have a level of inner fortitude that allows them to find the therapy office instead of unquestioningly paying these attitudes and misdeeds forward to their own kids, partners, and friends.”

    Because invariably, in other articles more emphasis is paid on how narcissistic abuse has a high risk of making the children narcissistic too, and this is a dangerous statement to put emphasis on- for three reasons; one that is not generally true. Children of pwNPD and BPD on the contrary are highly empathetic, caring, and introepsctive. Secondly, even if sometimes become pwNPD themselves, it is usually the favored child and not the emotionally and physically battered one. And thirdly, even if in some rare cases the victimized child does display some NPD-BPD characters- then I don’t think this fact should be emphasized and advertized as anyway we are dismissed and invalidated. We are maligned against and declared as selfish and mean. So if people read such articles where it mentions that kids of pwNPD and BPD grow up to become angry, full of rage or NP themselves….then it further adds fuel to the insidious maligning of our characters done by other mother.

  8. If you had not been a kind, brave, and decent child, the narcissistic parent would not have needed so desperately to project their cruelty, cowardice, and indecency onto you.
    Really freeing article. Thank you.

    1. so, does this mean that narcissistic parents give birth to you solely so you can be their accessory? being a complete human being other than themselves is just somehow not acceptable to them? they are not humans.

  9. Thank you for this article Jay. Like a light turned on in a room that’s always been dark. Life changing. I read it over and over hoping it will sink in and saved it to come back to when I need to read it again. Your work is such a blessing to me. Thank you

  10. Hi Jay
    For someone who seems very spot on with nuanced knowledge and understanding, I have to ask: did you experience less than ideal parenting?